Raw milk in Poland — interview with a Polish raw milk vending machine maker

Polish raw milk vending machine manufacturer Konrad Pszowski came to our attention through comments he posted on the Bovine. We thought, as a maker of raw milk automats, he could fill us in a little on the under-reported raw milk scene in Europe. So we contacted him. He wrote back, and we sent him some questions. And now we are pleased to present his answers in the form of this exclusive interview:

Raw milk vending machine in an urban setting in eastern Europe.

The Bovine:  When I was in Poland in 2007, one could drive along the highway from Warsaw to Bialystock and see people milking cows into buckets out in the field. Also one would sometimes pass horse-drawn hay wagons on the smaller roads. Is there a strong feeling among Poles that smalll farming is something that should be encouraged, that it’s here to stay and not on the way out like it is in so many other parts of the world?

Konrad: I think that we can divide Polish farmers on three groups. First group are big farmers with lot of land, farm animals. They are focused on big production and earning money. I think they are very similar to other big farmers in any country in Europe. Big machines, newest technology, newest chemistry, big efficiency, big money.

Second group are farmers which decide on organic/ ecological farming. Some of them additionally decided on agro tourist as an additional source of money. You can go there and spend some days manually milking cows, horseback riding. You will mainly  eat there products produced on those farms.

Third group of farmers are mainly old people which doesn’t want to change their way of live. They haven’t got agricultural machines. They’ve got very less land, animals. Time stops there 50 Years ago. That’s why You can still see people people milking cows into buckets out in the field and horse-drawn hay wagons on the smaller roads.

Polish made raw milk vending machines in a shopping mall in Europe.

The Bovine: Tell me a bit about your business with raw milk dispensing machines.

Konrad: Our company produce raw milk vending machine. Our machines are dedicated for this product in all aspects: milk dispenser, empty bottles dispenser etc. Our machines follows all UE and hygienic standards. We produce our machines in many versions to be most suitable for our customers. We all the time develop our product. Our newest idea is an additional module where is possible selling of fresh eggs, cottage cheese, sausages etc.

The Bovine: How did you personally get started in this business?

Konrad: We started with two machines where we sell milk. We have seen that there was a lot of problems with those machines: stacking bottles, not proper amount of milk dosed etc. We decided to built our own vending machine and eliminate all this problems. So our idea was born. After first machines was ready and proper functioning we decide to go with our product to other customers.

At this moment we focused only on production raw milk vending machines.

The Bovine: What countries do you mainly export to?

Konrad: Most of our machines we sold on Polish market. Now we produce one machine to Estonia. We negotiate with our customers from Ukraine, USA, Kenya. We see that this subject is getting more and more popular all over the world.

Another style of raw milk vending machine, installed outdoors.

The Bovine: Over here in North America, raw milk has been the subject of huge controversy, with health authorities claiming it’s a hazard. While in Europe, it seems to be not such a big deal, just an accepted fact that some people like raw milk and it’s ok for them to drink it. And yet we’ve heard of recent initiatives in Ireland, for instance, to ban raw milk. And there have been stories from France about how certain types of traditional cheeses have to be made from raw milk to get the taste right, and that there have been efforts by big corporations to replace those types of cheeses with ones made from pasteurized milk. What’s your perception of the state of raw milk in Europe? Is there growing interest in it like there is in North America? What sort of regulatory backlash, if any, are you aware of?

Konrad: I’m not really deep in government regulation all over the Europe. I know that raw milk is not denied in many of European countries. I know that raw milk is very popular in Czech Republic, Italy, Germany, Switzerland and Poland of course.

I think that in European countries there is big knowledge about raw milk. People know what products they can make out of this milk. They know how to produce house cheese, sour milk, butter. This knowledge is bigger in countries from Eastern Europe where before 1989 was easier to do it by yourself than to buy in market.

Especially this knowledge is bigger between people more than 40 Years old. In my opinion interest in it will grow all over the world. Especially that we are more aware of this what we eat.

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The Bovine: Have you had any interest from outside of Europe in your raw milk dispensing machines?

Konrad: Yes, for example. from Kenya, USA, Hong Kong. We see that our website is visited by people from Canada, South America, Australia, Asia.

The Bovine: What other countries have you exported to?

Konrad: At this moment we are building first machine to Estonia

The Bovine: Any interest from North America?

Konrad: Yes, We are in constant contact with one customer. We know that at this moment he is waiting on some approvals  from Milk Sanitarian Supervisor. If everything will be OK I hope we’ll take next steps.

The Bovine: Do you personally drink raw milk?

Konrad: Yes I like it very much. I drink raw milk without boiling. I know how to make cheese, butter, sour milk.

The Bovine: How are raw milk sales handled in Poland?

Konrad: It’s very easy. You have to report Your willingness for raw milk selling to sanitary or veterinary inspector. After they acceptance they can visit Your point to check if all sanitary aspects are fullfilled. When we started our raw milk selling it took us not more than one week.

Raw milk automat next to a store in Poland.

The Bovine: Is there a quality certification program there for raw milk producers?

Konrad: All of those aspects are regulated by EU. Milk producers are controlled by veterinary inspectors. There are limits and rules which has to be checked each time milk is produced.

The Bovine: What else would you like to add that I haven’t asked about?

Konrad: In my opinion popularity of raw milk will grow each day more and more. In Poland first vending machine was installed 1,5 Year ago. At this moment here are 150 machines. Our market is etimated on approx. 1,000 machines. This is really a lot and this is only Poland. Day by day we receive more request from countries all over the world.

This way of selling milk is perfect for both sides milk comsumers and milk producers. Milk comsumers can buy raw milk. This was really hard to buy before raw milk dispenser was installed. Raw milk was only available on farms. Vending machines allows to buy it even in big cities.

Milk producers can earn even three times more from milk selling. We calculate that reimbursement should be after 5-6 months after machine instalation (calculated with avarage milk sell on 120 – 150 ltr/ day)

This is really good bussines for both sides.

The Bovine: Thank you Konrad for taking the time to answer all these questions and for sending us the great photos. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have raw milk vending machines like those made by Konrad’s company all across North America? Someday!

Splash page from the company's website

Pozdrawiam / Best regards

Konrad Pszowski

MILKMAT S.C.

42-674 Laryszów

Ul. Wolności 38

mob. +48 600 831 210

e-mail: konrad.pszowski@milkmat.pl

NIP 645-252-16-40

Regon 241866827

www. milkmat.pl

www.rzekaswiezegomleka.pl

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38 responses to “Raw milk in Poland — interview with a Polish raw milk vending machine maker

  1. BC Food Security

    Great and very life affirming story. It really helps us to visualize where we want to go in Canada when we have such nonchalant everyday win-win and REVENUE GENERATING solutions happening right next door in Europe. Canada has become the great laughing stock of the world on the raw dairy issue .

    • AngelMyne

      Canada is Not a Laughing stock at all. Americans however lol… and I Am one, just Not one of the overwhelming majority of idiots here… Americans are a joke and they believe any lie you tell them as long as it comes from higher up the food chain. Love to make connections and hear about how the machines work out and if you have luck getting them. The fight over here in America over raw milk is Unreal. The Government has pulled out all the stops trying to play on ignorance, bullying, and full out deception. Both in regard to the general public and in trying to shut down small farmers all over the USA. I think we should All be connecting together and Unifying to push for our food rights together borders or no.

    • BILL ELLIOTT

      it is a torture for those poor cows

  2. I saw the interview. I’m really glad that I was even a little bit helpful.
    I wish You good luck in Your fight for raw milk in USA.

    If You will need any information more don’t hesitate to write me. It will be pleasure to help You once again.

    BTW We are very interested to start cooperation with customers/ partners in USA. If You will hear that any persons are interested in cooperation with us or want to buy such a machine please contact them with us.

    Hope to hear You again.

    Pozdrawiam / Best regards

    Konrad Pszowski

    MILKMAT S.C.
    42-674 Laryszów
    Ul. Wolności 38
    mob. +48 600 831 210
    e-mail: konrad.pszowski@milkmat.pl
    NIP 645-252-16-40
    Regon 241866827
    www. milkmat.pl
    http://www.rzekaswiezegomleka.pl

  3. Chloe

    Awesome interview!!! How fantastic it would be to have raw milk vending machines in schools for children. Health could start to return to North American families once again!!!

    • 72Cfor16sec

      Chloe. I am afraid I beg to differ. While I can agree that individuals should be able to make their own informed choices (for themselves and their own children) when it comes to the potential benefits and risks of drinking unpasteurized milk, I cannot support open access to it by young children. Children under age 10 are among the most susceptible to HUS, and in my mind, the risk to them is completely unacceptable. John

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  6. Thank you to Bovine, Konrad, and Natural News for making us aware of the raw milk vending machines. I agree with AngelMyne. America has become a joke. People will believe anything as long as it comes from the powers that be. It’s truly sad.

    God bless the three I mentioned above as you work to bring good heath back to our families and homes.

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  8. Anita Reusch

    These milk vending machines are a wonderful way to directly connect the farmer and consumer without any middlemen, without ruining the milk by supposedly making it safe. This so-called safe pasteurized and homogenized milk creates problems not just for lactose intolerant people but everyone else, too. Unlike raw milk it lacks all its beneficial enzymes, vitamins and bacteria.
    I´m hoping to see these machines sprout up all over the place to give small farmers a viable option to economically survive and to continue to care for the land.
    There is a milk vending machine near Heidelberg. The MuhKuhmat at the Markushof dispenses raw organic milk for just one Euro per liter, you can fill your cup with raw creamy goodness for just a dime.
    http://www.milchtankstellen.de lists raw milk vending sites in Germany.

    Proud member of the WAPF since 2002.

    Anita

  9. Gretna Maggiacomo

    Polish government cooperating with the needs of the people, how enlightening!!!!!!!

  10. Danielle Hryniewicz

    This was a great story!! I l am American but live in Lomza, Poland. I am lucky enough to have a local farmer who sells me raw milk, his cows graze in the field next to my house in the summer! Another farmer we know makes hommade yogurt, butter and cheese. We also purchase from them!

    Food here is much more natural, I greatly appreciate that here and it is one of the top reason we will stay here. My husbands family owns an all natural meat factory and you could not beat the quality nor freshness anywhere!

    Thank you Pan Pszowski for sharing your story! I will be looking for your machines!!

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  14. Sue

    As a WAPF chapter leader, I am extremely happy to hear that raw milk machines are in existence. I can only hope that one day they will also be available in Canada. I am concerned, however, that with all of the “Free” Trade agreements our government is trying to arrange, we may be getting even further away from having sustainable communities that include locally sourced fresh, healthy, organic foods. Support your local farmer! Drink farm fresh milk!

    Sue Clinton
    Co-Chapter Leader
    Greater Kingston Weston. A. Price Foundation

    • AngelMyne

      Sue, what is WAPF? and are you guys getting slapped with any of this Q-Fever crap up there? Looking to connect people to people as my Mothers fighting Both the State and Gov. here. Too many Farmers Dont know their rights!

  15. It would be wonderful if the Canadian government could pull themselves into the 21st century. Raw milk vending machines in Canada just seems too good to be true. Money talks and our government listens. Too much profits at stake for the Milk Marketing Boards. Just heard that smoking killed 45,000 people last year in Canada…how many people has raw milk killed in the last 100 years???? NOT EVEN CLOSE to that staggering number. Anyone that questions the benefits of raw milk has never researched it let alone even tasted it. My oldest son cannot drink pasteurized milk as he becomes so congested, he cannot breathe. Now that he drinks the raw milk, his nose has been clear for months, and he drinks litres a week. I drank only raw milk growing up, and the collection methods were not as sanitary as they are today. I was never sick. People have got to stop listening blindly to their governments and do their own research. Make up your OWN mind, if you still decide that pasteurized is the way to go, then who am I to say otherwise? But if you decide to go the raw route, then you should have that freedom. Isn’t that what a democracy is??? So sad what Michael Schmidt is having to go through to fight for our right to freedom of choice.

    • Said beautifully, Christine! I too can only drink raw milk. If I were to drink a glass of messed with milk, I’d have an asthma attack. And I really like what you said about we make our own choices. That is freedom.

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  26. I would like to buy 30 raw milk vending machine.could you help please.for Nairobi Kenya
    what is the price
    regardss john

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